The bible it littered with instances of jesus breaking the laws of physics, chemistry and biology for his own gains. The bible called them miracles. These ranged from organising dinner parties - Wine and fish sandwich anyone? - To curing people with terrible diseases.As an atheist i am sceptical of whether jesus actually performed these miracles (also of whether he existed at all) because they seem to have been engineered to give the story "credibility". Think about it. What would the bible be without the miracles? it would be just a book of rules and advice that appear to be from someone of little importance, Which would make it the equivalent of a Dr Phil self help book for bronze age man. Do some tricks though and we have their son of god on our hands.
While we are on the subject of miracles, one miracle does interest me and id like someone to explain how it could be possible. How could a man born in the west bank of Palestine turn out to be a white guy with blue eyes? To me that really is miraculous. We all know from the news that people from that area have fairly dark skin and almost exclusively have dark brown eyes. But jesus turned out looking like the all American poster boy. very strange.
It's almost as if the image of jesus has been engineered, Along with his "miracles", To get certain people, i.e westerners, Able to accept (be tricked in to believing) he is the lord.
From what I recall I don't believe the bible ever calls Jesus blue haired or white. I think it said something about hair like wool. Hell he might of been African. The pictures that circulate nowadays, I do believe, are from artist interpretations at the time which wasn't even close to when he was around, if at all...
ReplyDeleteAs far as the magic goes though, I think it would've been a great way to make people believe in it more and help establish some sort of order....
Just my thoughts
The only people (as far as i know) to generate an approximation of jesus - going by descriptions in the bible and what men of the area looked like at the time - Came up with this
ReplyDeletehttp://www.religioustolerance.org/jesusface.jpg
LOL
If you look under his robe on his right shoulder, he has a tattoo of an eage that says "God Blee the USA" too! ;)
ReplyDeleteargh! Eagle,
ReplyDeleteand God Bless the USA
damn sticky keys...must learn to proofread!
That looks like a nice fellow right there...I'd follow him!
ReplyDeleteAnd didn't you know the holy land is in Montana....Of course he would have a tattoo of an 'eage' and of course I'd be blee'd as a US Citizen.
You atheists are something else!
(/sarcasm)
How could a man born in the west bank of Palestine turn out to be a white guy with blue eyes?
ReplyDeleteActually, the reason we picture jesus that way is because it is familiar to us. Hispanics have a more hispanic Jesus and asians have a more asian jesus. It is just something we are comfortable with. Although if you ask any person who knows anything about Jesus, they will say he was Middle Eastern, possibly African, like you said.
also of whether he existed at all
there are outside sources besides the bible that say he existed.
because they seem to have been engineered to give the story "credibility"
You actually would think that a story as fantastical as that would not be believed unless there were thousands of eyewitnesses.
there are outside sources besides the bible that say he existed.
ReplyDeleteName one.
Please don't say Josephus. That's a fraud.
Tacitus.
ReplyDeletedidn't tacitus mention jesus about 100 years after his supposed Crucifixion? Plenty of time for rumor and hearsay to propagate to Rome.
ReplyDeleteIt was less than 80 years after the crucification, he mentioned christ when talking about the great fire of rome.
ReplyDeleteso it wasn't something he had witnessed. He was basing it on hearsay of an event 80 years previous.
ReplyDeleteIf he is your star witness i have to say i'm not impressed.
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ReplyDeleteRead this and then come back and tell us about your "jesus" story!
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen048.html
so it wasn't something he had witnessed
ReplyDeleteI never said he witnessed it. I said there were thousands of eyewitnesses. I never claimed he was one. The whole thing is that you do not allow me to use the bible as proof of jesus' existence. The people who wrote it saw him. So why can't I use it?
Read this and then come back and tell us about your "jesus" story!
http://www.tektonics.org
/copycat/mithra.html
you obviously have to remove the the space I put there. It was just making if easier for you to copy and paste
Mithra still predates Christianity. Too many similarities to prove the xians didn't copycat. Plus it shows that the properties of xianity were common to other religions, not unique and special, making it the "one true" religion.
ReplyDeleteIt is beyond me why people can't see that the Bible was all just cobbled together by the men of the time. It has their imprint all over it. No divine wisdom. Just contemporary mentality.
Plus it shows that the properties of xianity were common to other religions, not unique and special, making it the "one true" religion.
ReplyDeleteI agree. We can't know everything. Like I said somewhere else, I am not 100% sure Catholicism is correct. In fact, I know there are some things that are wrong with it. I personally believe that god will judge you on if you were a good or bad person.
It has their imprint all over it.
Really? The people who wrote it had their fingerprints? I never would have guessed.
No divine wisdom. Just contemporary mentality.
Actually, Jesus was not what the Jews were expecting when they thought of a Messiah. They thought he was going to be a warrior and stuff. So it really wasn't contemporary mentality. Also, if you look at only the written word, you will not see divine wisdom. I do not disagree with that. However, you also have to look at the hidden messages within the text.
Really? The people who wrote it had their fingerprints? I never would have guessed.
ReplyDeleteIs this an attempt at humor or are you being intentionally dense?
However, you also have to look at the hidden messages within the text.
Too easy a target. I'll just let that one go.
Well first of all "palestine" doesn't exist nor will it ever.
ReplyDeleteand Jesus was a Jew, that's how he had blue/green eyes and blonde hair.